This is another long shot, but within the past 10 years I saw in a knitting magazine a beautiful cardigan sweater that had a shawl knitted into it. It looked like a sweater that had a shawl thrown over the shoulders, but the shawl was actually knitted into the sweater pattern. I have pored through about 10 years of my magazines, and can't find it. The photography made me think it might be either Cast On or Interweave Knits, but I'm not sure at all. Does this ring any bells? I think I am finally capable (and willing) to start something this challenging. Thanks!

Did it look something like this?
http://www.colby.edu/personal/l/leosborn/pi.htm

Wow! Handspun AND hand knitted. It's gorgeous.

Challenging is the right word to use-but it is beautiful-and I bet, very warm.

You didn't say if you found what you're looking for so here's another try
http://www.berroco.com/exclusi...juliana/juliana.html

If you didn't find it some of us folks who use Raverly could search there for you as well. let us know.

Both of those patterns are really gorgeous! I think I like the Berroco one even better than the other one. Why is it that there are always more good ideas than there is time to make them? I can never get all the ideas that I'd like to done.

Boy those sweaters are wonderful, look beautiful too. I have been trying to find the pyramid sweater pattern and the pi with sleeves(not the right name) for some time now, I misplaced my patterns for both and have been going nuts trying to remember where I found them. And when I asked on groups, no one could figure out what I wanted.

Thanks to everyone who posted about the elusive shawl-sweater. Neither of the ones shown were what I was after, although both are beautiful. I will keep looking, and will post when I find it, (and I WILL find it!)

I apologise in advance, knittersone and all, but this old Englishman doesn't like either of those patterns.

Sleeves in your pi is an awful lot of work in a beautiful yarn ruined by silly sleeves. perhaps i am old fashoined, but if you want to wear something that warm, you don't want a howling gale blowing up your arms. And imagine trying to do anything with all that sleeve flopping about.

Similarly, the Rollover, if it is cold enough to wear it, then ladies, please don't leave that great expanse of chest bare for you to catch your death of cold. I detest that style. Call me old-fashioned if you want.

Now, dear Susan Parrish, long-term readers of my grouches will know what's coming next. If you consider you have the skills to knit an item, then you don't need a pattern. The hard bit you have already done. You know what the finished item will look like. So instead of copying someone else's creation, make you own. For the first 10,000 years of the craft patterns hadn't been invented!

Simple rules to follow. Choose your yarn and buy plenty. If your yarn store will "put by" or offera buy-back even better.

Make swatches until you are convinced of the texture you want. Down-load the relevant knitters' graph paper - one acknowledgement to 21st century tech! Mock up a paper vesion on the inetended wearer. Count the stitches and begin. It's much more satisfying; trust your skills and have a go, and send us the link to a picture of your finished garment.

Best wishes, John

(Psst--John: Rumor has it that knitting goes back only 1000 years or so!)

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Now you have done it . . . I am mean that in a nice way!

How can that be proven is my first question???? I know the Egyptian stuff that was found but how about knitting that wasn't found . . .

Thanks Peggy for your superior knowledge. The Englishman stands corrected.

Hey! That's still 900 years without patterns!

Best wishes, John

Well, KnitSki, would you go to the trouble of nalbinding (that's one-needle knitting with yard-long lengths of yarn--and all the ends have to be woven in!) when you could just use two needles?

And there are lots of myths involving weaving and spinning, but did you ever come across a goddess of knitting?

And Homer wrote about Penelope's weaving, and Herodotus wrote about a gift of a golden spindle--but where are the classical literary references to knitting needles?

:-)

Good point but what about China and the east , , ,

We will never know exactly when it all started 1,000 or 2,000 or 10,000 years ago-----

I am just glad some one figured it all out!